August 22, 2008
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More Olympic thoughts...
Okay, my interest in gymnastics only goes as far as the outfits (call me a pig, but al least I'll admit it). However, with this most recent controversy about the "age-gate," I felt that I should add some more of my, at times, commentary.
When this first came up I thought; "Whatever. Asian girls will look smaller and younger than they are. Stupid Westerners are just annoyed that they lost." However, with the preponderance of evidence that is be produced I have to concede that there is a very real possibility that the Chinese cheated and used underage athletes.
So, now the question is;what now? Supposedly there is an investigation going on, conducted by the FIG and the IOC. I highly doubt that the investigation will result in anything substantive. Primarily, because you are going up against the ChiCom government. A government that can make a person disappear, can also make a person be older. However, by some fluke it is found out that the ChiComs did lie and falsify documents; what then should be the penalty? Should the medals be taken away? I say, yes. However, that doesn't solve the bigger picture of cheating.
This is my opinion of what should happen if an athlete is found to be doping, cheating, or whatever. If they are a medal winner, that medal should be stripped as well as any other medals their country has received up to that point. Wait, you say that seems kind of harsh to take away someone's medal, just because someone else cheated. Well, of course it is harsh. It has to be harsh., and plus that way they not only have their own personal shame to deal with they also have the ire and and the resentment of everybody else on the national olympic team. Only that kind of humiliation will prevent cheating, or at the very least bring out better cheating and doping methods.
What are your thoughts?
Comments (5)
Steve Steve Steve.. those girls are 16....and the chinese ones are maybe 13.. thats illegal.
@SimonPeterPrays -
I was talking about those that are not jail-bait.
i like the gymnastics for the drama and mounting tension so thick you can cut with a knife. that striving for perfection.... or when a routine clicks and it's flawless. and the way it inspires. how one can watch, for example, kerri strug's vault, and sticking the landing on one leg with the gold medal on the line, without bursting with pride or shedding a tear is beyond me.
onto the age issue...
I think they should strictly enforce the age rules but i think the 16 y-o calendar year rule is over-reaching and needs amending. i can see why teams would violate that. but let's clear up one thing. you can be 15 and still compete as long as you turn 16 that calendar year. anyhow, some rules are in place because people believe they'll be broken but just slightly. say someone is 15 and won't turn 16 that calendar year. and you turn a blind eye toward it. close enough. but to have a rule where you expect some countries to violate it is faulty because it punishes those countries who uphold the current rules, unfair as they may be.
IMO, the age limit should be as it is now: 16 by the calendar year. but it should allow for a one team member exemption where a single 14-year old firm can compete also. they can also have just one 14-year old as an alternate but she can only replace the age exemption player so you do NOT have a situation where TWO 14-year olds compete. and why 14? Call it the Nadia Corollary. that's how old Nadia Comeneci was when she got the perfect 10s en route to gold.
I want to see these rules strictly enforced but also let's be realistic: gymnastics is a young woman's sport. by allowing a single exemption, it is also to prevent teams from being emboldened like the chinese and blatantly breaking the rule. look, we'll give you a pass on ONE under-16 contestant. and that make sense. suppose someone turns 15 during the olympics. that means under the current rule, they won't have a chance to be on that olympic team even if they're the top qualifier and will be 19 when they'll be eligible the next time the olympics rolls around. many female gymnasts are considering retirement by that age. there goes one girl's shot at becoming an olympian... just because her birth year and month happens to not fall on the "prime" olympic year window.
if you allow ONE age exemption player, you can compare that gymnast with the others on her team. if they all look especially young like the ONE age exemption player, obviously you have a problem. but when you stuff the lineup with three/four gals who are under 16 and then try to pass them off as 16, who is to say they just all look young.
no bones about it, if a country decides to exercise their single age-exempt player, the general public should be able to spot the youngest in a lineup.
I'm a little all over the place with this one but in summary, the 16-y.o. rule is unfair. the prime competing years for many gymnasts are 15,16,17 so the age rule takes an opportunity away from a talented gymnasts whose birth year just so happens to not line up with the olympic window. so what happens is teams violate it. of course, we haven't seen such blatant violation until these olympics. obviously the current methods of enforcement need overhaul. the governing bodies need to be super strict with background checks. also to placate any perceived unfairness, each country is providing a one-team member exemption (with one alternate if they so choose). this will at least provide incentive for teams to be honest since they're given an exception to give a promising youngster olympic experience but still encourage coaches and programs that the gymnastics governing body is interested in mature gymnasts and moving the sport away from pushing little girls but molding young women.
golly talk about run-on sentence.
let's try that last part again.
the single age-limit exemption spot will allow a qualified young person a chance to live out her olympic dream. since the exemption is limited to but a single team member, this still makes a statement that the gymnastics governing body is interested in mature gymnasts and will encourage coaches and gymnastics programs to continue moving the sport away from pushing little girls and instead to molding young women.
finis.
I don't think any of it was us "Westerners" being cry babies cuz we lost any events to the ladies Chinese gymnastics team. We won some of the gold as well. And us "Westerners" have never had a problem with our own Aisan American athletes that represent their/our country (USA), ie Amy Chow ('96 Gymnastics team), Michelle Kwan (met her, sweet girl), etc. I was thinking the same thing as you about the "look". Asian girls, most of the time, look younger than what they are. However, a sixteen year old, usually looks like a 16 year old and a 13 year old usually looks like a 13 year old. Are the girls (or girl) good enough? Obviously very much so!!! But rules are rules and having been close to a similar sport I know there are good reason why the rule is now in place. Maybe this is a "western" thought, but I would not put it past the Chinese that they deliberately cheated, knowing they could get awy with it, especially since they are hosting the games. I also admit, cheating in sports is not just a "communist/socialist country thing". Might I throw out some just one name - Barry Bonds! He is a good ol' Ameircan who cheated to obtain a gret record, but will only be remembered as a guy who did just that, cheated. Sad, considering before he was an outsanding baseball player before he started juicing up on roids. Would never have hit over 700 homers, not even 600, mayb 500, but that wasn't good enough for him - so he cheated and continues to lie about it. My point it that is, that yes, athletes, teams, govt's will dangerously risk it all for the sake of the top spot. The idea of "Oh, they wouldn't do that and risk being caught and marring ther reputaion or lsoing their acheivments" is a false misconception, people will do such.
I doubt the IOC's investigation amoutned to much of anything on their own part, and the Chinese govt is not going to let it's Olympic games be marred by being caught cheating. They will cover the tracks well or do whatever they need to do. I feel sorry for the athletes. would they cheat themselves, probably not, but if their country pressured them to break rules to compete, then they would go with the flow and enjoy the moment. Lose their medal? Yes, if they cheated, they should, lose all of them,? Not sure. How about this- maybe bar them from participation in the next games, either in the event they cheated in or in the entire games. That would certainly send a message to all. I am of the opinion that at least one, if not more, of the Chinese girls were 13 as is accused, and it is not because I am a "Westerner" who is mad that my team didn't win as much as I want them too. If Michael Phelps was Michael Xing Li Lu and swimming for China and going for the recornd he was - I would still root for him, because he is deserving (providing he didn't cheat). If Michelle Kwan competed for her ancestors homeland of China instead of her native born country of the USA, I would still root for her, becaus she is deserving (providing she doesn't cheat). Kristi Yamaguchi for Japan, still root for her. Dirk paly for Germany-would root for the guy. Am I not patriotic - You bet your butt I am. YES I AM PATRIOTIC! USA USA USA USA!!!! But everyone deserves the chance for glory in the Olympic games and their are plenty of medals - gold, silver and bronze to go around, PROVIDING YOU DON"T CHEAT to get it!
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